Local Art Residency - Norman Rosenblum

LC: Tell us a bit about these photos, where were these taken, what objective(s) did you have in mind when you set out to capture this environment?

The photographs in this exhibition which I call “Remains,” were all made July 10, 2021, on a visit to a friend who lives on Yankee Lake in the Catskills. I was kayaking around an island in the middle of the lake, originally looking to photograph a pair of young eagles that nested in a tree on the island. I was unable to get anything satisfyingbecause the eagles were always hidden behind branches. I reluctantly gave up and continued to kayak around the island where I spotted the driftwood that is the subject of these photographs. The shapes, reflections, light, and color immediately appealed to me, and I spent quite a bit of time there with a paddle in one hand and my camera in the other.

LC: I notice a few variations on a similar image. What was the thought of sharing a couple of different looks of a similar view?

From the beginning I wanted to show these photographs as a single moment of time. The scene, which was totally unexpected, suddenly appeared to me as a complete lost world—one that was decaying as well as supporting new growth. I found myself intensely inhabiting this wonderful graveyard of sorts. I let the kayak drift as slowly as possible, as the viewpoint would change even if I thought the kayak was not moving. In this intensely sensual world of sun, water, shapes, colors, and reflections I became completely focused on trying to make photographs that showed what I was feeling. Hopefully these 14 photographs do that. You are correct that there are variations of a scene, and images seen from various perspectives. To me, that helps engage a viewer to not only see but to be drawn in. There is no one “meaning” I attach to this exhibit; rather, I hope to invite the viewer into a meditative experience.

LC: What is your favorite aspect of capturing nature scenes?

In both the natural world as well as urban landscapes, I am inspired to find new meanings. I try to interpret the social and aesthetic realms of human experience.

LC: Tough question (maybe) but do you have a favorite camera and why?

For Digital- Nikon 6, and for film-Nikon Fm2n.

LC: What is your favorite coffee or tea beverage?

A cortado with a plain croissant to dip. Of course, at Local Coffee!

Lastly, what’s the best URL to direct our followers if they would like to connect further?

www.normanrosenblum.com

Instagram: norro99

Local Art Residency - Scot Surbeck

LC: Tell us a bit with respect to this exhibition as compared to the previous exhibits from back in March 2019 and September 2020.

The current exhibition has a somewhat similar layout as the 2019 show (below)

But it is quite different from the 2020 show (below).

Current show (below)

SS: The current exhibit has a good balance between the photos and the surrounding space. The photos are complicated and dense and therefore invite contemplation. The spacing allows viewing without distraction from adjacent photos, yet keeps the photos close enough to be seen from a distance as a coherent group.

LC: I can’t help noticing that, and opinion only, the images seem more personal, more raw than previous…almost peeling back a layer of your subject and allowing us the viewer a closer connection to the the actual person. Does this thought seem accurate?

SS: There is a developing looseness and ambiguity in my work that I like. I don't have an emotional agenda when I shoot but I like to find images, through my camera, that interest me and others. Every viewer will interpret those images differently.

LC: There’s an image of a construction worker’s arm in the foreground of a kind of ubiquitous NYC construction area that is very powerful. I have to ask if you were aiming to capture that particular shot after assessing the scene or simply caught by lucky chance.

SS: I was looking through my view finder at the construction worker in the background when the worker in the foreground suddenly thrust his arm out. I took the picture.

LC: Of this collection, which image stands out most to you and why?

SS: They all make me happy, individually and as a group.

LC:. I’m already looking forward to your next collection. Anything planned that you can hint to?

SS: A year is a long time. I'm looking forward to it as well :)

See more of Scot’s work here: www.scotsurbeck.com

Local Art Residency - MHS Senior, Max Myers

LC: Let’s start with some background. How did you get into photography and develop to the level of ability you have today? 

MM: Back in 2016 I started to get into drones, an up and coming trend that persists today. I started off with the smaller toy drones, learning as I crashed them. Eventually over the course of around a year I saved up and got a great prosumer DJI drone. On the drone was a high quality camera that I subsequently used to capture the first of my many photographs and videos. I firmly believe that having the ability to position a camera at any angle and height in the sky directly assisted my eye as a photographer today. I’ve been through four upgrades of cameras and lenses to get to where I am today, and I owe the level of ability I’ve developed to persistence, practice, and trial and error. I am proud of where I am today, being self taught, but I still have a lot of room to grow. 

LC: Your photographs capture a variety of subjects and scenes in a wide range of styles. How do you decide the what, when, and how of your pictures? 

MM: I definitely don’t have a central theme in this show, as I practice so many different styles and types of photography. I like to have some variety in my life, and my art exemplifies that. However with many of my projects, the process starts with an idea. Let's take the photograph of the Aston Martin in Chinatown as an example. That car is called the Dragon 88, and was created for the Chinese market. Only 88 of them were ever made, and the one I photographed is the only one in the United States. I thought it would be fitting to take it into Chinatown, an area I’ve always imagined photographing a car in. We traveled there with the car and captured it under the Chinese lanterns strung across the streets. It involved a long shutter speed and shining a light over the car to illuminate its deep maroon paint. I am very happy with how that photoshoot came out. 

LC: Clearly your life has included a fair bit of traveling. What are some places you’ve visited and do any stand out as favorites? 

MM: I’ve been extremely lucky to travel around the United States and to Europe. I spend a lot of time in Arizona, because I have family there. I have also visited Miami, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Yellowstone, and many more places. In Europe I’ve been to Paris, Venice, Florence, Rome, Lisbon, and Barcelona. I really enjoy traveling, as it allows for an amazing new array of scenery and sights to photograph. Venice was my absolute favorite, and I was able to take my drone up there to photograph the Grand Canal, leading to one of my favorite photos of all time, which is in this show. 

LC: Can you tell us more about your service trip to the Dominican Republic, where some of these photos were taken? 

MM: I was able to go on a mission trip with my church to the Dominican Republic, where myself and a group were given the amazing opportunity to work with and assist a group of disabled orphans. Among the 50 or so children there, only 3 or so could even walk. The majority were strapped to wheel chairs, perhaps indefinitely. I still remember walking down the stairs and seeing them for the first time. I walked back up the same stairs for the last time at the end of my mission trip as a changed person, with a very new perspective on life. I was lucky to be able to document the experiences of me and my peers through my camera, and captured some moments of pure emotion that I think would be impossible to emulate in any other circumstance. The trip left a lasting effect on me, and I’ve decided to donate a portion of the proceeds from selling my photographs to the Mustard Seed Communities foundation which oversees the disabled children in the orphanage. They need it now more than ever as for the past few years they haven’t had their regular donations, of both money and supplies because Covid prevented travel to the orphanage. 

LC: What do you feel is your relationship to the stories being played out in your pictures? Are you preserving an existing narrative for memory or creating a new story within the image? 

MM: I feel as though the stories I tell in my photographs are created by myself, based on the way I have the subject positioned, combined with the lighting, editing, and many camera settings I hand pick. I feel as though I am creating a new story within the image. For example when shooting cars, most new photographers would merely capture the vehicle. I choose a scene and try to capture the car within the scene to tell a story. 

LC: For fellow photographers coming into the shop, what sorts of cameras do you use, and do you have a preferred go-to? 

MM: I’ve been through four upgrades of cameras since starting. I started with a Lumix G7, a great affordable camera for beginners. I moved to the Sony A7ii, which I highly recommend for mid range beginners. Then onto the Sony A7iii, which helped me delve more into videography, and now I’m using the Sony A7iv as my main camera and the Sony A6300 as a secondary. The A7iv is an excellent camera with 33 megapixels and many great video features, and will be my go-to for a while. 

LC: What’s your favorite coffee or tea beverage? 

MM: My girlfriend has been a huge factor in developing my love for the Chai tea latte, which is now my go-to whenever I’m out.

Visit Max’s website here: maxvuz.com

Local Art Residency - William Bullard

LC: What a treat to have your work shared here at Local! So much to cover here but let's start with your relationship to Montclair, NJ. Please tell us how you are connected to this town.

WB: During the summer of 1976, I drove across the country interviewing at every independent high school that still needed an English teacher for the fall.  The last interview was at MKA, and I was the last thing between the English chair and his vacation, so I got the job.  My wife and I moved to a railroad flat above the ice cream store in Upper Montclair, and I started my first teaching job.  Two years later I remember that I couldn’t believe they were actually paying me to teach…I was having so much fun.  In 1978 we moved into a cottage on Central Ave owned by the school, which we later bought from them.  In 1983 and 1986 our kids, Nick and Zoe, were born.  In 1991, we moved to San Francisco so I could try my hand as the academic dean of a school there, but Montclair was always my “origin story,” and I never felt so woven into the full life of a community as I did there.  And I never found brighter, harder working, more joyful, whole, and fully alive students as I knew at MKA during those 15 years.  To get to see a group of them again 35 years later – brighter than ever and still full of beans – was so cool.  Thank you.

LC: I had the pleasure of seeing you reconnect with some of your students from some time ago. It made me smile and got me thinking about reconnecting with some of my childhood teachers and mentors. How has this role (of teacher) allowed you to become an excellent communicator in your current (photographer) craft?

WB: I don’t think I have anything more profound to say about photography than most photographers, but just as teaching helped me overcome my natural introversion, it also gave me some ability and confidence to connect to strangers, to be interested in and respect their presence, and see in a moment the potential for a story…all important qualities for street photography.

LC: Alrighty then...let's get right to it. I listen to my clients talk about your photographs and I laugh at the wild swing of characterizations. What were you REALLY going for when setting out to capture these moments in time?  

WB: I enjoy working in art museums because they provide ready-made some of the crucial elements for all street photography:  a “set” or dramatic stage that provides geometry, lighting, and, of course, compelling props and people who are absorbed, mindful, unself-conscious, often dressed for the occasion, and naturally arranged in tableaux.  Sometimes the compelling picture is purely formal – abstract arrangements of color and form that, once framed by the camera, hold the eye.  “Alexander Calder at the Whitney” is a good example of a time when I saw such a potential and waited until the woman in white turned to reveal that phenomenal Gallic profile.  Other times, the juxtaposition between the viewer and the work of art allows for a suggestive, psychological portrait.  “Brancusi at the Guggenheim” is one of many examples when I returned time and time again to a work of art waiting for the right person to appear in exactly the right relationship to that iconic sculpture.  And sometimes, though more rarely, a kind of dialogue occurs in which the viewer and the work of art appear to interrogate each other, in which the painting or sculpture appears to move or speak in response to the viewer.  “Ferrucci’s Caesar at the Met” or “Michelangelo’s Brutus at the Met” are the most dramatic examples in which that mutual interrogation occurs across cultures and millenia, but I see that happening in the Mukherjee, Medicis, and Picasso portraits as well.

LC: Your exhibition here at Local, 'Pictures at an Exhibition', encouraged me to revisit several Street Photography masters. I agree with your summation that the photo allows us to 'witness story after story unfold that can only be revealed in 1/250th of a second and bound within a 2:3 aspect ratio.' Looking back at images from Arthur Fellig (Weegee) and Saul Leiter who really nailed that raw NYC of yesteryear - I also think there's a bit of  'someone else out there understands me' as these images are so very personal. Do you ever feel like you've perhaps gone in and ultimately allowed someone permission to express something they couldn't have otherwise?

WB: In general, I find that street photography, and particularly these images, do not reveal a story as much as they create one.  So they may offer an illusion of self-expression, but it’s a fiction, entirely invented by the power of the frame, which creates its own context, and the invisible-to-the-eye momentary expression of the subject.  The man next to Louise Bourgeois’s creature was not, as it appears, shocked by the threatening shape looming behind him; indeed, I have no idea what prompted his fleeting look of horror, but it was perfect for the story that the frame of that picture tells, the frame which conveniently eliminates all the other visitors and thrusts him into a relationship with the sculpture that he’s not even looking at.

LC: You are lucky in that you are able to share your work across different venues. What are the types of things you learn from having the same work in different spaces?

WB: It’s rare, actually, for me to have this kind of opportunity to engage in a dialogue with an audience, but I’d say I’ve learned more by photographing in different venues than by exhibiting in different forums.  Occasionally, I’ll get into conversation with a curator or editor about the work, but then it’s usually a matter of selecting and sequencing photographs.  I have learned that folks often believe that the scenes have to have been staged or posed.  Or, at least, that the subjects knew that I was photographing them.  Those kind of questions seem to speak to the success of the illusion I just mentioned, that the images seem intimate and personal, that they seem to get inside a relationship or reveal a mind.  In fact, the subjects rarely know, if ever, that I’ve made a photograph, and I’ve never posed or set up a picture.  Occasionally, I’ve been tempted to ask, but that would defeat the purpose and certainly result in weak image.  One of the strategic advantages of photographing in museums is that I’m just another visitor with a camera, so it’s pretty easy to stay inconspicuous, to be the observer who does not influence what he’s observing.  Different exhibits inspire different general responses from visitors.  For example, the Michelangelo drawing show at the Met in 2018 seemed to pull in a lot of “slow art” sensibilities – visitors who would study a work for 20 or 30 minutes and be completely transported.  On many occasions I was able to get within a foot or two to make a portrait.  Others seem to provoke “mirroring,” visitors who take on a stance or posture reflecting a figure in the work of art.  In that case, I will compose the image ahead of time and wait (or “fish” in street photo lingo) for a visitor to complete the photograph.  But overall the failure rate is very high.  If I emerge from two hours at an exhibit with one image that I eventually print, I count the day as a huge success.

LC: Tough question (maybe) but do you have a favorite camera and why? 

WB: Actually, it is an easy question.  All of my recent museum work is made with Leica Q2, either the regular model or the new monochrome version.  It is a light, nimble, silent, inconspicuous camera with a fast, fixed 28mm lens, pretty good autofocus, and excellent resolution at high ISO values – so it’s very good in the dim light of most museums.  I do very little post-processing and print on smooth baryta paper because I want the prints to look like classic silver photographs.  The harder choice for me is between B&W and color, and with the monochrome camera, I often have to make that choice before I go into a show.  By experience and taste, I am a B&W photographer and mostly agree with Ariana, your previous artist, that color is often a distraction and conceals more than it shows, especially in street photography.  I have photographed frequently in Cuba – really the color capital of the world – and always process that work in B&W, which focuses my eye on the geometry of the streets and on the character of the people.  And yet with the museum work, where the color in paintings is so critically important to the experience of the artwork, the juxtapositions I’m seeking are often strengthened by working in color.

LC: What's your favorite coffee or tea beverage?

WB: Small cappuccino, regular milk (just a little, please).

Learn more about Bill by visiting his website here

Local Art Residency: Ariana Gavriilidis

LOCAL: Ariana! So happy to have your work up at the shop. How do you feel sharing a bit of yourself at the shop through your photography?

ARIANA: Hey Local Coffee! Thank you for allowing me to show my artwork, as I’m lucky to be among the talented artists before me. Over the last year, I started showing this collection of black and white photo series titled Europe in Black and White around different cafes and coffee shops in New Jersey and Upstate NY. I feel it should have gotten easier with each show, yet it is still nerve-racking! I am always nervous about how others will react or what they might think about my style of photography. However, I am thankful to exhibit my photographs and not only get feedback on how I can improve as an artist, but connect with people on their travels. As a result, I connected with loyal patrons of Local Coffee about traveling, their favorite style of photography, and most of all, their go-to coffee orders! 

LOCAL: Tell us a bit about these photographs. When, Where and Why?

ARIANA: Europe in Black and White captures moments from when I traveled in the summer of 2019 and the winter of 2017. This collection pertains to the countries of Ireland, the United Kingdom such as England, Scotland, and other countries such as Amsterdam and Norway. I've been lucky to travel and take these photographs around Europe, either on solo trips or traveling with close friends and family. I love traveling to new places and experiencing new cultures and bringing my camera along is no exception.   

I shoot my pictures in black and white as I believe it forces the viewer to focus on the image while adding color, in my opinion, can complicate and distract from what is right in front of them. Photographs in black and white exhibit the simplicity of the world, and can reveal that we’re much more similar than we are different. In addition, I’ve always been a fan of timeless black and white films, such as Casablanca, Notorious, and The Maltese Falcon. If the movie stars Humphrey Bogart or Cary Grant, I’ve seen it. My style and taste does not always resonate with everyone, but I believe there is something timeless with photographs taken in black and white that brings me back to a past life where we were not obsessed with editing an image to perfection.

LOCAL: You're still young and have been able to travel to many places many of us are still dreaming about. Tell us how you've been able to prioritize travel in your life -

ARIANA: For as long as I can remember, I had the travel bug. I will never turn down an adventure or the opportunity to go somewhere new. With my father being Greek and moving to America at 27-years-old, I got the chance to fly and visit my dads' side of the family from a young age. I knew traveling to Europe as a family was a privilege that not many kids my age had the opportunity to go. Once I knew places such as Athens, Mykonos, and Crete existed, I wanted to experience more of not just what Europe had to offer but the rest of America and the world. Being the youngest sibling, I traveled with my mother and sisters across the county for soccer tournaments or to see college campuses. Traveling has been a way of life. When COVID hit, I did not know if I could travel again. As much as I love New Jersey, there is so much more of the world to see. I learned that to grow not only as an artist but as a person, we need to step outside of our comfort zone and be open to new experiences. Additionally, it helps that my mother also loves to explore and travel, so I always have a travel buddy.   

 LOCAL: Was there one place that stood out where you felt super-connected to the environment?

ARIANA: One place that stood out to me when traveling in the summer of 2019 was the country of Ireland, especially the Irish countryside. I saw well-known cities such as Dublin, Galway, Cork, and Killarney and got the chance to explore Northern Ireland and tour Belfast, and crossed the National Trust Carrick-a-Rede bridge in Ballintoy. If you haven't seen it, you have to look it up! It is a wooden bridge that leads you to a remote island. I surprised myself by crossing the bridge. In addition, visiting The Cliffs of Moher, which are sea cliffs located at the southwest edge of Ireland that look out to the Atlantic Ocean, was a surreal experience. It’s breathtaking being on the edge of the world. Not only is Ireland's vast green landscape and the rolling hills unbelievably beautiful, but the people are friendly and welcoming. Growing up in North Jersey, I'm familiar with heading to Upstate NY and seeing a remote landscape, but Ireland's extensive history and open space needs to be experienced by all. 

 LOCAL: Is there a special location OR geographic environment that you have on your roadmap?

ARIANA: I’ve always said that before turning 30, I wanted to complete a road trip out west and explore the landscapes of Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, and Utah and visit either Glacier National Park or Yellowstone National Park. There are so many places in America that I have yet to tour. I would pick mountain ranges and forest landscapes any day compared to a beach setting. I’ve never been a person that chooses an island or a pool vacation to relax and unwind. Back in 2018, I climbed to the top of St Mary’s Glacier in Colorado, which at the peak is around 11,000 ft above sea level. I remember feeling small amongst these gigantic pine trees, and there wasn’t a feeling quite like it. It reminded me how important it is to look past what’s right in front of us and look at the bigger picture. I have three years left to fulfill this goal and now that I work remotely, I’m hoping to accomplish this vacation sooner rather than later as it has never been easier to work while traveling.

LOCAL: For our fellow photophiles out there, what type of camera(s) are in your arsenal and do you have a 'go-to' camera for special moments?

ARIANA: That is a difficult question! In total, I own ten cameras as some cameras I inherited from relatives and other cameras I purchased. Although the camera I can never leave the house without, besides the camera on my iPhone, is my Nikon FM 10, which is a manual 35mm. This camera I used for the Europe in Black and White series. It’s been with me everywhere and my most prized possession. I seem to be a brand loyalist to Nikon. It was the first camera I purchased back in middle school when I started adventuring into photography. My parents bought me a Nikon CoolPix L24 Digital Camera, in the color red, and Nikon has been my go-to ever since. The rest is history. 

 

If I somehow forget to carry my Nikon FM 10, I like to have either my Nikon DSLR handy, a Fujifilm color 35mm disposable camera or an Instax Mini 9 in my bag for some fun quick shots with friends. I love the feeling of sending in the camera in order to see the photographs.    

 LOCAL:  What's your favorite coffee or tea beverage?

ARIANA: Personally, it depends on the season. In the winter, I love chai with soy milk, and in the summer, it is either an iced coffee with soy milk or an iced tea with some honey. The honey I buy is from Local Coffee! Over the last year, I've been on a honey hunt for the best honey in New Jersey, and the Raw Honey available to purchase here goes with me everywhere!   

To learn more about Ariana and follow-along through her many journeys: https://linktr.ee/ag_curate

Local Art Residency: Q+A with Photographer Leslie Granda-Hill

Thank you for sharing your impactful imagery here with us at Local. The feedback has been overwhelming. Tell us what India means to you that sparked your desire to visit on several occasions and capture daily life in the second most populated country in the world?

Thank you for exhibiting my images in such a wonderful space! I appreciate the chance to show work in my community.

I’ve always loved going to diverse places and photographing the story of the human condition.  Experiencing places that are so different from how I live here in New Jersey is something I have a passion for. Seeing other people’s photographs of the colorful imagery in India was inspirational for me. I just had to go! I’ve felt this way about taking pictures in many areas of the world- Africa, Cambodia, Mexico, to name a few. India stands out for me. The combination of light and color along with the spirit of the people has me hooked.  I can’t wait to go back.

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I investigated some interesting facts about India and was surprised to learn that it is the only country never to have invaded another land. What did you learn about the people that can validate this statistic?

The people seem to be more respectful about the human condition than other cultures I’ve visited.  I know the country has many problems. The existing class structure creates vast inequities amongst themselves.  This can be so conducive for upheaval. I was there in 2016 when there was a huge financial crisis. The currency was changed overnight and the entire county was greatly affected. Fortunately I had credit cards to use, but many of the people in the villages never had a bank account and were in a difficult situation. The people of India have a respect for their neighbor and have a strong family bond. Generations of families live together. They live their lives on the streets creating a strong sense of community. I hope this doesn’t change. The internet makes our world smaller but the only way to truly understand other cultures is to experience it in person.

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Have you developed any relationships in the country? How has these relationships created a new thread of thinking about life? 

I have worked with a local guide while traveling and that is an invaluable resource for learning to navigate a wildly different culture. Together we are able to navigate congested cities and go to remote villages that would otherwise be unlikely. I am respectful of the fact that I am a foreigner from the other side of the world, yet I found the people to be welcoming and warmly curious about me. Relationships with the subjects of my pictures is quite important to me.  I’ve photographed a family in Mexico for ten years.  I’ve documented the children growing from toddlers into young adults.  It’s similar to watching your own children grow up. Developing ongoing relationships with the people I’ve met has been essential for me. I’ve become aware of other thoughts and beliefs in a way not possible if not for seeing how other people live their lives. Feeling their kindness, happiness and struggles firsthand is very rewarding. Whenever possible I send photos back to people that may never have prints of themselves.

What do you hope to accomplish, if anything, by sharing these images?

Accomplishments from an exhibit is a very tenuous thing.  It’s nice to receive recognition, yet somehow it is dwarfed by the internal satisfaction from completing a theme I’ve worked on.  The people who speak to me about my images helps validate my own thoughts, and also becomes an ongoing source of new perspectives and inspiration about my own work.  I really love when other people look at my images and see them differently than what I see.  Good photography is never one dimensional, and talking with other people about my photographs is an important part of the evolutionary process. I hope the viewer learns something and more importantly, feels something about images.

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How did you get started in photography?

I have loved capturing images as long as I can remember.  I think it was my way to become involved.  Growing up in a small town, my exposure to the world scene was pictures and television.  TV felt to fleeting for me.  Photography has a permanence that provides deeper meaning for me.  I started to take workshops to better refine my understanding of the tools for self-expression.  I took courses at ICP, the various workshops, and attended many lectures from the masters. All of these things have helped me find my own way. And of course, there is nothing more important than taking a lot of pictures. I have worked on several projects that have enriched my life immeasurably- my “Coming Home” series about wounded veterans from many wars, in particular, was life changing. I learned so much about a big part of our society and was able to photograph some true heroes.

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Photography is a quite a journey. What has your practice taught you over time?

Photography has taught me so many things.  From an aesthetic perspective, photography is a medium for self-expression. My love for the documentary genre has made me better understand the cultures around the world. My world has become both bigger and smaller simultaneously. We are all so different, and all so much the same.  Each culture has its own unique blend of special qualities and also the problems. Understanding how each culture works out continuing strife has given me a bittersweet understanding of my own environment.  Getting to know individuals from vastly different backgrounds, I can embrace the spirit that unites us all.

What's next for you in this space?

I will continue to return to India and continue to photograph different locations.  I’d like to document both the similarities and differences within the national culture.  I expect the conditions in each region will define the differences- the sea towns will differ from the interior areas- so a sequel will certainly be a possibility. But I am also considering presenting my images from Cuba. That is similarly a country with rich visual interest as well as welcoming people.

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What is your favorite coffee or tea beverage?

I like English Breakfast Tea

Learn more about Leslie here